The SBC is a ‘force multiplier’ for local churches, argue Dever and Mohler at T4G

Communications Staff — April 14, 2018

The Southern Baptist Convention is a “force multiplier” for local churches, argued Mark Dever yesterday during a public conversation with R. Albert Mohler Jr.

R. Albert Mohler Jr., president of The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, (right) talks with Mark Dever, senior pastor of Capitol Hill Baptist Church in Washington DC, at the 2018 Together for the Gospel Conference

“I became an advocate for [my church] becoming more involved in the Southern Baptist Convention,” Dever explained, “not out of a sense of tribal loyalty — not that that’s bad—but because as a gospel Christian who wants to see the gospel taken to the ends of the earth, I think the SBC is a force multiplier.”

The two spoke as part of a “gathering” for Southern Baptists attending the 2018 Together for the Gospel conference happening this week in Louisville, Kentucky. Mohler, who is president of The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, and Dever, senior pastor of Capitol Hill Baptist Church in Washington D.C., discussed the state and importance of the Southern Baptist Convention. In their 45-minute back-and-forth, they touched on the nature of denominations, the theological commitments of Southern Baptists, the Cooperative Program, and the upcoming annual meeting in Dallas.

Are denominations, like the SBC, divisive?

At the beginning of their time, Dever explained that he often hears younger Christians complain about denominations because they perceive them as necessarily divisive, splitting Christians instead of unifying them. But Mohler suggested that the removal of denominations would bring far more disunity.

He argued the absence of denominations only creates artificial unity. Without denominations, what you’re left with is either theological liberalism, because you’re saying doctrine doesn’t matter, or a state church, because an external authority is determining theology and practice over and against individual churches.

“The existence of denominationalism is not a scandal,” Mohler said. “A scandal is the coercion of conscience and the denial of religious liberty or the watering down of the faith so it wouldn’t matter.”

Denominations, Mohler said, necessarily come from a combination of theological conviction and religious liberty.

Southern Baptists and evangelicalism 

As the conversation continued, Dever and Mohler addressed how central the theological convictions of Southern Baptists, as expressed explicitly in the Baptist Faith and Message, are representative of evangelical theology. But a commitment to evangelical theology does not mean Southern Baptists are, in Mohler’s words, “mere evangelicals.”

Still, conferences like Together for the Gospel and the similar Gospel Coalition conferences predicate on pastors and lay Christians celebrating the doctrine they hold in common. And Dever explained that he hears fellow Baptists worry that those who participate in conferences like these are “minimizing doctrinal differences we would have with other people who are participating.” The worry is the diminishment of Baptist identity.

Mohler thinks the opposite is actually true.

“To the contrary, we are most specific about these issues,” he argued. “Because here’s what is interesting: Even in our friendly banter with one another, we’re not avoiding the theological issues. … The point is that the people who show up at this conference show up as the most full-bodied in conviction.

“If this were about trying to subjugate or avoid theology, we would not just have sat through an hour on the immutability of God, filled not only with biblical exposition but confessional citation,” Mohler said, referencing a plenary talk from pastor and professor Kevin DeYoung about the doctrine of God.

How the SBC’s Cooperative Program helps local churches

In explaining the benefits of the Southern Baptist Convention to local church pastors, Dever described his experience of leading his church to increased giving to the Cooperative Program.

“When I came to our church, it was 130 people, mostly elderly. Our budget was in the red and we were not doing well. I knew that if we began to see anyone called out to serve the Lord in ministry or in ministry overseas, we would need the help of things like the International Mission Board, things like Southern Seminary. To do that, you need to step into the convention. I explained to them that if we start seeing people raised up, we can’t pay for them all. But if we will cooperate with these 40,000 other churches, together they’ll [help] pay for every missionary we raise up. As long as they’re qualified, this family of churches will take care of them better than any other group of churches I’m aware of in evangelicalism.”

To Dever’s comments, Mohler added that the SBC allows churches to extend their ministries beyond the tenure of current leaders.

“Every denomination is some mix of theology and what can, for better or worse, be called tribalism,” he said. “Tribalism can be very bad. It’s like nationalism: It’s can be exclusivistic and can be idolatrous. But let me tell you how it can be very good: One of the great strengths of the Southern Baptist Convention is that there is someone who will care about what you care about if you fall or you die. That’s something really, really important to me.”

Southern Baptist pastors and denominational life

That led Dever and Mohler to discuss the importance of participating in the life of the denomination beyond contributing financially, which Mohler called a stewardship responsibility.

“Someone eventually has to decide what kind of person gets sent as a missionary, what kind of theological convictions do we expect of our seminaries, what’s our idea of a healthy church, what kinds of churches should we plant, how do we know when what we’ve planted was a church,” said Mohler, encouraging the Southern Baptists to  “show up” in denominational life. “Someone is making those decisions. Guess who they are. They’re the people who are in the room when the decisions are made.”

The significance of the 2018 SBC annual meeting

In 2018, participating in the Southern Baptist Convention means electing a new president. The two addressed this head-on, talking about the upcoming Annual Meeting in Dallas, including the two candidates for a new SBC president. The two men nominated as president are Ken Hemphill, a former pastor and former president of Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary in Fort Worth, Texas, and J.D. Greear, pastor of the Summit Church in Durham, North Carolina.

Dever and Mohler acknowledge that the two men bring a different vision to the presidency and certainly represent different generations of Southern Baptists. But Mohler was quick to point out, fitting with the theme of denominations as a theological body, the extent to which Southern Baptists should celebrate these two candidates, regardless of who wins the election.

“The good news is that both of these candidates are men of stellar character. Both are men who’ve been tested,” he said. “Both of these men would fully articulate evangelical conviction and defend the faith once for all delivered to the saints. Both of them eagerly believe in evangelism; both of them eagerly believe in missions. Both of them have healthy home lives. That’s very good news. What an incredible blessing to the denomination.”

Dever and Mohler’s full conversation, including breakdowns of the history and structures of the Southern Baptist Convention, will be available at in the coming weeks.

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